Expanding Fictional Universes into Audio.
Big
Finish Productions has long been a prime player in expanding the universes of
Doctor Who, Torchwood, and a whole range of other shows in audio drama. Tony
Fyler spoke to the company’s Senior Producer, David Richardson, about
what it takes to successfully expand those worlds.
Where does the spark come from in terms of expanding a TV
universe into audio? Are you always looking for places in the story where
expansions could happen? Places where expansions could be profitable? Or is it
usually a case of “I would really like to hear what happened to…”?
David: I’d say, without exception, the spark always
comes from the original TV episodes. The characters that have been given their
own spin-off ranges have earned them because their TV stories suggested a life
before the Doctor arrived, and also suggested they have a life after he left.
That’s
true of Jago and Litefoot, and the Counter-Measures team, and
also Lady Christina and The Paternoster Gang. I have to say we
never, ever start with a conversation that goes ‘What can we do that will make
lots of money?’ I can’t recall a single pitch that started that way. It always
begins with excitement, the chat about ‘We’ve got this idea and it’s really got
us excited’. We’re fans of Doctor Who and Torchwood ourselves, so if it’s an
idea that turns our heads, that gets us excited, then that’s usually a good
sign.
In a business where creativity and profitability both have
their place, where’s the breakdown for you, and which is the leader – the
satisfaction of creativity or the knowledge that an expansion of a universe will
sell (while of course making loads of fans happy!)?
David: Every series must pay for itself - absolutely
it must cover its costs, and earn its place in the catalogue. But we are firm
believers that creativity brings success - that quality work will find an
audience. Over the 14 years that I’ve been working here, whenever we announce a
spin-off there’s always someone on social media who sighs and says ‘A spin-off
too far’.
I
saw it levelled against Jago and Litefoot all those years ago, and that
series has become one of our most enduring hits! I’m not convinced there is
such a thing as a spin-off too far in this modern age of multiple series linked
storytelling. Story, characters, dialogue rule - that’s what matters.
What’s your favourite expansion of a universe Big Finish
has done so far? What makes them your favourite?
David: As Nicholas Courtney used to say, ‘The one I’m
working with at the time.’ I always thought he was being diplomatic but
actually, I can see that, as you gravitate from one series or group of actors
to another, at that moment they become your favourite. But I do have a very
powerful affection for Jago and Litefoot, because the pairing of Trevor
Baxter and Christopher Benjamin was just beautiful. Every day working with them
was a day well spent - we just laughed, all the time. We got the work done, and
the recordings were brilliant, but every moment between every take was just
filled with banter and kind spirits and joy. I sit here talking about it with a
smile on my face and tears welling in my eyes - I was just so lucky to be a
part of it.
Without necessarily giving away spoilers (though you should
naturally feel entirely free if you like…), is there a universe you haven’t got
to expand yet, but really hope to in the future? Do you have a list, and if so,
what’s on it that you can safely tell us about?
David: There are always ideas, things I’ve got on my
list of things I’d love to do - and I know a lot of the other producers feel the
same. Scott Handcock has pitched some smashing, exciting things which I hope
one day might happen - they’re a series I would love to just sit and listen to
myself. So I can’t give more details, but there are always ideas floating
around.
What’s the process like between having an idea for a new
universe expansion and getting it into studio? Do you commission writers to
write scripts on spec if you either need to acquire the rights or persuade key
actors? Or is the legal side all nailed in place before the writers start
writing?
David: The process pretty much follows this pattern:
1: You have the idea, which the producer discusses with the script editor, and
it’s written into a pitch.
2: That pitch is presented to Jason Haigh-Ellery and Nick Briggs. If they like
it, then it’s green lit and a budget is agreed.
3: The producer and the script editor then discuss writers, who are given a
brief (which can sometimes be quite prescriptive) and asked to pitch story
ideas.
4: Story ideas, once agreed with the producer and script editor, then go to
Nick Briggs for his comments and can be reworked from there. They then go to
the BBC for approval. Once everything is signed off, we start working on
scripts.
Thinking in particular of things like the Ninth Doctor
Adventures – Christopher Eccleston’s always been an actor motivated by great
scriptwriting (and has mentioned Nick Briggs’ writing as a big draw), so were
there scripts in place before he signed on to the project, or did you need to
convince him on board and then knock his socks off with scripts?
David:
Conversations with Chris were ongoing for some time, and we did reach a stage
where he asked to see a script. Nick wrote some example pages, which if I
recall rightly were the first 40 pages or so of Ravagers, episode one.
Chris
loved it, and we were away.
Hand
on heart, I have absolutely loved working with Chris. I’m just so blown away by
his energy and passion for what he does - and the kindness with which he treats
those around him. Those 12 recording days were some of the happiest, and he
threw himself into every script and was always, always full of praise for the
efforts of our writing team.
Similarly, when getting the daughters of famous companion
actresses on board (Sadie Miller, Daisy Ashford, etc), do you get scripts
written to persuade them in, or does Big Finish’s reputation do a lot of that
work for you?
David: We didn’t present scripts to Sadie and Daisy -
but they have worked with us before in other roles, so knew Big Finish and the
people well. It was a difficult decision to recast those roles, made easy when
Sadie and Daisy came on board.
You have quite a pool of familiar writers you know can
deliver at Big Finish, but you’re also frequently bringing in new talents. At
what point do names get attached to stories? Is it a case of “I’d really like
to hear a River Song story written by [to pick a name at random] Lizbeth Myles,
or a Lady Christina story by Sarah Grochala,” or do you get as far as outlines
and briefs before thinking of who could do interesting things with them?
David: It’s usually down to availability. People get
busy. I mean, I want to work with Lisa McMullin on EVERYTHING, but her TV
career is really taking off, and there are only so many scripts she can take
on. The same goes across the board. Obviously, some writers are a better fit
for some series - writers with great comedy talents are a natural for Missy;
writers with strong dramatic flair fit well into Stranded. But there’s
huge crossover as well. Someone like Roy Gill can really do anything you throw
at him. We’re lucky to have them all.
Is there ever a set-in-stone idea of what you want to
achieve from a universe expansion, beyond the telling of good stories, or is
that the be-all and the end-all – to tell good stories with the particular
characters you’re expanding? After all, Big Finish is credited with
‘rehabilitating’ the Sixth Doctor after his on-screen mellowing wasn’t given
the time to mature. Is that sort of thing part of the goal for some ranges – to
broaden people’s perception of characters over time – or is it more a case of
plotting out the arc of three or four boxsets in a range at a time and seeing
the journey on which they take you before deciding what’s next for the
characters?
David:
I don’t think that our agenda is that set-in-stone. We work ahead a bit - for
example, I was pitching the story world for Stranded when we were about
halfway through the previous Eighth Doctor series, Ravenous. We needed
to know where we were going. But it’s always down to telling good stories, and
being in an interesting storytelling world.
And
you never know if people are going to buy into it. The basic idea with Stranded
was to start with Doctor Who with much of what makes the series Doctor Who
taken out. It was my idea, and then I spent months in turmoil because I was
terrified people might not buy into that. And yet it became a huge hit, because
it was something different. And we got an Audie Award for it - a massively
prestigious award. But it had great scripts and such an amazing cast - how
could it fail?
What excites you most about starting a new universe
expansion?
David: Those first few weeks, when you are all
throwing ideas around and all the creative voices in the team add into the mix,
and it snowballs into something wonderful… that’s just so brilliant. I’m a
great believer in team working. Everyone should have a voice.
For
example, on The Paternoster Gang, I know the three leads are really
invested in it and have their own ideas, so every series starts with a meeting
where Neve, Catrin and Dan throw ideas out there. And lots of them get used -
it’s a really rewarding process.
Forgive me this one – my writing pals at Project Torchwood
wanted me to ask “How do you get such great writers all the time?” and also “Is
there ever any chance of fan writers working for Big Finish?” – which I think
means besides the Paul Spragg competition, is there a potential pathway for
‘fan’ writers to becoming Big Finish writers?
And also, I guess, how does it work in terms of writers for
particular universes? Are there writers that you instantly know you can go to
for, say, a Third Doctor story that will take that range forward, or writers
who can always be relied on to turn out a cracking Torchwood? Any strict rhyme
or reason, or, as you have a good range of writers at your disposal, does it
come down to an instinct of who will do well within a particular universe, or
with a particular story brief?
David: It’s a good question. We have an ongoing
dilemma in that we always need new writers because we’re so busy, but because
we’re so busy we have limited time to develop new writers. And ‘develop’ is the
key word here - all scripts can go through many rewrites and changes and tweaks,
which is a time-consuming process and the writers work closely with our
brilliant script editors.
So
someone relatively new to the audio writing can take a lot of the script
editor’s time. So we have to limit the intake of fresh writing talent - and we seek
that out ourselves. We just don’t have the infrastructure in place to have a
formal free submissions system.
The best tip for anyone who wants to write Doctor Who is to keep writing and
writing and writing.
And
I think the best Doctor Who writers don’t just want to write Doctor Who - they
want to write all sorts of things, but Doctor Who is an important part of that.
Get as much experience and set your sights as wide as you can. It’s a big audio
industry out there, and there’s a lot to learn.
Are there any universe
expansions that are now officially never coming back? Any more Jenny on
the way?* Second set of New Earth stories? Dan Dare? Similarly,
any one-offs possibly in mind for future series? Shilling and Sixpence
or the like? I’m guessing any plans
for future Lives of Captain Jack releases are pretty much in abeyance right now?
(*We asked, just before a second set of Jenny adventures was
announced(!))
David: I mean, Jago
and Litefoot is now sadly over, because we lost dear Trevor Baxter. We
reached a very good ending with Counter-Measures, and my feeling at the
minute is I’d hate to undermine that ending by making more. But never
say never.
With Big Finish being the biggest player in the expanded
universe of quite a few fandoms now, and with so many projects and universes on
the go at different stages at any given time, is it ever tough to keep up with
where each universe is in its story when you’re building the next instalment
for it?
David: Not really - I just ask Matt Fitton! The man
is a Big Finish encyclopaedia!
What are the biggest challenges you face when expanding a
universe? How you decide on a tone that takes a universe forward, while still
being recognisably similar to what the fans have loved about a universe before?
David: I’m not sure that retaining the tone is a
challenge, really - that’s part of the joy of it. Finding the authenticity in
any range is in our DNA - it’s what drives us. I’d say the biggest challenge for
me is always confronting my own nerves - just making sure that everyone has a
good time, because that then infuses the production.
If
I’m working with Alex Kingston for the first time, say, I want her to have such
a great time that she will come back for more. When Christopher Eccleston steps
through the door, I want him to feel ‘Hey, this is a lot of fun.’ Those are the
things I worry about - the people.
This one’s not a question, just an opportunity taken to say
thank you, for all the universes that have improved fans lives – my life – immeasurably.
I first came into Big Finish fandom by ‘taking a chance’ on Spare Parts
(nothing like coming in on a high!). It’s been brilliant so far, and I’ve no
doubt it will continue expanding universes – and minds – for decades to come.
Thanks, David – and thanks to all who make it happen.
David: Ah, that’s lovely - thanks so much. Seriously,
we’re so lucky to do what we do. And I’m so grateful to Nick Briggs who plucked
me out of an unhappy job 14 years ago and offered me this role at Big Finish.
We really make a lot of this stuff for ourselves and hope that other people
like it - so the fact you do means a lot!
